Bible Study – Tucson (January 12, 1980)
by Herbert W Armstrong
We have finished the first seven chapters of Romans. Today I want to get a little out of line and into something special and go into the 13th chapter of Romans. There are those who are trying to tell the members of the Church of God that when the state of California brought the lawsuit against the Worldwide Church of God that we should have just caved in and said we would stop preaching the gospel and we would have the local Church services. That was their idea. They wouldn’t interfere with the Church side of things – only the business side. They considered the preaching of the gospel to the world the business or commercial side. But you see, the commission of Jesus Christ was not just local Church services, it was, go into all the world and preach this gospel of the kingdom of God, and that is what we have been doing. The State tried to sidetrack us from that.
Another thing. The State brought no charges. We were not accused or charged with anything. We didn’t go on trial for any offence of any kind. I think we need to realize that first. What they did was to come and say that they had fired me – that I could have nothing to do with the Church of God any more. They fired the Pastor-General of the Church of God – God’s apostle! That is an entirely different thing than what the Church is talking about when it says we should obey governments of man. I want to go into this because they always cite this 13th chapter of Romans.
We broke no law. The State did break the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States. We had done no wrong. We were not even accused of doing anything. They put a lot of things in the newspaper but you won’t find that in any legal document. They didn’t dare try to accuse us of that formally. I have since found out that they accused Mr. Rader and me of siphoning off from the Work of God some 30 million dollars. We have not been going out for 30 years on these trips. They construe that when Jesus said, ‘go into all the world’ – and I was sent forth into the world – that I should not have done that. They think we should just have prayer services or something like that. I don’t know what they have in mind. They don’t know anything about the Church of God; yet, they want to take over and run it! They accused us of nothing. They merely wanted to take over and run the Church of God. What they wanted was some $80 million worth of property that we have – the most beautiful campus in the United States. They wanted to take that over. That is all that they wanted. One or two ministers who are no longer in the Church have cited the 13th chapter of Romans and said that we should have obeyed this. Let me tell you we DO obey this. Let’s look at Romans 13.
Romans 13:1: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.” I will grant that in this case the ‘higher powers’ is referring to the civil government of man. This is one of the higher powers referred to in the Bible. The other is the government of Satan the devil and wicked spirits in high places. These are the powers of man. “For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”
Let me go back and explain that. God did not ordain the government of the State of California. God did not ordain the Constitution of the United States or the government of the United States. What God did was ordain a government on the face of this earth – and He put an archangel to administer that government. Its laws were based on the spiritual laws of God – based on love, outgoing concern toward others. The archangel Lucifer, instead of administering that Government of God, turned traitor against that law and turned toward the way of extreme selfishness. He coveted what God had and turned bitter and resentful. He turned into a spirit of competition and strife toward God and tried to take the whole universe from God. Satan was here when God created Adam.
Adam could have qualified to succeed him and administer the Government of God on the earth, but instead Adam followed Satan. He followed his wife who disbelieved what God said and took the forbidden fruit. At that time, God pronounced a sentence upon them. They had rebelled against God’s government and chose Satan’s government. He sentenced them to 6,000 years – until the time of the second coming of Christ, to be cut off from God, except for those He would specially call to prepare for the Kingdom of God on earth. God did call certain ones – Noah, for example – because of the extreme sin of the world at that time. But God determined to save enough people to repopulate the earth. So He called Noah who alone in his physical generations was pure of the original white strain with no intermarriage in his ancestry. There was no one else on earth like that. He was also a righteous man. God called him to build an ark to save him and his sons and their wives. All humanity has come from Noah.
Later God called Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Joseph. Some 430 years after that He called Moses. Moses wasn’t looking for God, but God called him. He wanted him to lead the people out of Egypt. He was going to give those people His government through Moses. Moses at first didn’t want to, but he finally agreed. At Mount Sinai God gave them a proposition that if they would obey His laws, He would make them His Government on earth. God made a covenant with them. It was a marriage covenant, but also a governmental covenant, that if they would obey Him they would be governed only by the Government of God. But they still didn’t have the Holy Spirit. Still God revealed Himself and His way of life to them. He gave them His spiritual law – The law of love. He also gave them statutes and judgments based on that spiritual law. This was to be their civil law. God has ordained that man must form his own governments; but here was God giving them His own form of government. Other nations were left to form their own governments. They could not have a government except by God’s consent. Satan couldn’t rule the earth except by God’s consent. In the book of Job, Satan couldn’t hurt Job except by God’s consent – God told Satan exactly what he was allowed to do. The governments of man in this world are formed under Satan. They could not exist unless God allowed it. That is why you read that there is no power but of God here in this 13th chapter of Romans. Satan in the same sense could not exist over the earth unless God allowed it. Let’s get this background. Get this straight.
Man has made laws that were influenced and promulgated by Satan. Some of the laws of man are good. Man has a law against murder. That is one of the Ten Commandments. There is a law against stealing, which is also one of the Ten Commandments. But you will find that bearing false witness, under certain conditions, is not God’s way; but men do it anyway. If you swear falsely under oath, you will be punished if they find you out. However, the laws of man don’t legislate against having any gods before the true God. They don’t punish people for that. They don’t punish people who worship idols. They don’t punish people for taking God’s name in vain. If you break the Sabbath, the government of man won’t punish you.
The government of man under the so-called Holy Roman Empire – if you didn’t keep their day of Sunday (which is not God’s day), they would punish you and even put you to death. Adultery – there are certain laws against adultery but they are pretty lenient against that – and so it goes. Coveting is not legislated against unless it actually goes into stealing. That is the only way God ordained these governments. He didn’t set them up with His ways, but God allows it. That is what Paul is trying to say here. That there can be no power except that which God allows.
Verse 2: “Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God.” It is talking about individual persons in your private or family life. I see that somebody is suing the Ford Motor Company for something like 2 or 3 billion dollars. It is the first time that a corporation has been sued. Governments usually only go after the individual. “And they that resist shall receive to themselves judgment.”
Verse 3: “For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad.” (RSV). Is that talking about the good conduct in the way the Church operates? They are not a terror to the carrying of the gospel to the world – they are not a terror to our holding services and having meetings, this is not referring to that. It is talking about the conduct of the individual in the world. It might be in your own home or on the street. It is not referring to a matter of the Church. I am going to show you that this was the government of man trying to do away with the Government of God. All we are trying to do is protect the Government of God. We have not been accused of any evil. They didn’t bring us to court under any charge. A judge, illegally and without any warning in the privacy of his own chambers appointed a Receiver to take over and manage the Government of God and the Church of God. That is something altogether different that it is talking about here. “Will you then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and you shall have praise of the same.”
I’m showing you that we are not fighting against the government. I have a letter from one of our ministers who says we are fighting against the State. We are not fighting against the State. We are merely doing what the apostle Paul did – we are appealing to a higher court. The apostle Paul said he would appeal to Caesar – right up to the top government. Paul was having trouble trying to get the gospel out. The government of man has always fought the gospel of Christ and the Work of God. Every bit of the persecution has come directly or indirectly from the civil governments of man. The government of man is one of the worst things on this earth. God allows it. That is why it says there is no power but of God.
Verse 4: “For he is the minister of God to thee for good.” In other words, you have to have some kind of regulation of man against his neighbor. That is why we have laws against assault, against murder, against rape, against stealing. In this ordinary sense, the law of man is good. We don’t believe in Russia, but it regulates things between man and man. They regulate against crimes against neighbor. “But if you do that which is evil, be afraid; for he bears not the sword in vain.” In other words, he has the power of force. “For he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that does evil.”
Verse 5: “Wherefore you must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.” Now we are being subject, but we are not obeying. What about when the country is at war and they try to draft you. Our people try to be subject but they say we will not obey. That has always been upheld. But then the opponents of God’s Church – ministers who are opposed to God’s Church – say that God’s Church must give in when they try to destroy the Government of God and the good news of the gospel. Being subject means we accept the penalty if we must go contrary to the laws of man. We have submitted to the penalty. We haven’t resisted it, we didn’t let them come in and take over, but we did give them books and reports. Our own men organized a place for them to go over our records. We also immediately employed the biggest firm of Certified Public Accountants in the United States. They went over our books as well. They took months in going over all of the records. We have turned over all the records. There is nothing there for them to condemn. If we break a law, we will pay the penalty, but we have not broken a law. That’s all!
Verse 6: “For this cause pay you tribute also; for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.” We pay tribute; we pay heavy taxes. The government has provided that non-profit organizations do not have the members as members of that corporation. Only those who sign the articles of incorporation are members of the corporation. That is another thing. Our Church members are not members of the corporation. They are members of the Church of God.
Verse 7: “Render therefore to all their dues (that is what we do!) tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; and honor to whom honor.” And we do.
Verse 8: “Owe no man anything (that should be ‘you do owe no man anything’) but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.”
That is the end of this particular part of it. This is what these men are complaining about.
What about Paul when he was on trial? He defended himself. He was in front of this man Festus. They didn’t believe in Christianity. Paul appealed – he said he was going to a higher court and he went clear to Rome. That is what we are doing. We are appealing to a higher court. We are doing what the Bible says.
Comment by evangelist present: “I have a footnote here in my Bible that I think would be important. The Bible points out that the order of government is a part of God’s provision even in a wicked world. No ruler exercises control except as God permits or allows. Under normal circumstances the Christian is to be obedient to the laws of the land, this however does not mean that he is to obey regulations that are immoral or anti-Christian. In such cases, one must be subject to the penalty for not obeying such wrong concepts. It is the Christian’s duty to obey God rather than men in such cases.”
Mr. HWA: Now Peter and John were commanded not to continue with the Work of God and preaching any more. That is what they commanded me. I wanted to send out a letter to our people and they stopped it at the Post Office. I’ve had to come to another State and do it from here. I am only doing precisely what God teaches in the Bible. We’ve got some men who misconstrue the Bible and would have the whole Work of God stopped by Satan the devil. Satan is the one who is guiding man and his government and God is allowing it, but even Satan knows that in a society which he is over if he doesn’t keep them from certain things like murder and theft and assault and things like that, that even his own system won’t hold together. It is time we get understanding of this kind of thing. I can invite this man we are referring to and if I do and go through this with him, do you think he will accept it? No, because he WANTS to believe that way. He would refuse to accept any truth that he doesn’t want to believe. It would be a waste of time.
Maybe we better turn back to where we were in our regular study. In the 7th chapter of Romans Paul was explaining about the nature that Satan has managed to inject into us ever since we were little children, contrary to the way of God – the way of vanity and selfishness, lust and greed, of competition. We don’t resent authority over us as a Church, but when they try to stop the Work of God, we appeal, and that is what the apostle Paul did.
But in the seventh chapter Paul was mentioning the struggle that we have. Before we were converted, Satan had gotten to us and many of the wrong ways had become habit. Paul, with his mind, loved and wanted to obey the law of God, which is just, and good. But he was not spiritual except as a converted man and could not keep the spiritual law. He found that these things had become so habitual that it was like a law within him to do that which is wrong and he wanted to do what is right. Finally, he came to the point where he said “Oh, wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this bond?” and then he thanked God that Jesus Christ was the only One who could. So we come immediately into the 8th chapter.
Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit.” I know now that I go to bed and sometimes I begin to think and pray as I try to get to sleep and I can look back over my life and I can think of wrongs that I have done. And I can just feel terribly condemned. But I have to remember what it says here, that there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. Christ died to pay the penalty for all that and I don’t have to worry about it any more. Paul said that he was the chief of sinners. Sometimes I feel the same. But I do know that there are some of the commandments that I think I have never broken.
Verse 2: “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” He talked about doing things that were wrong when he didn’t mean to and didn’t want to. The law of the Spirit of God will make us free from that and through the power of the Holy Spirit; we can be delivered from doing that.
Verse 3: “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh.” (I think you might refer there to the ceremonial law because he wouldn’t say that the ten commandments were weak, but even the ten commandments only point out what sin is, but they don’t make you righteous). “God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.”
Verse 4: “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us (the right doing of the law), who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.” In other words we have in our lives to live according to what the Spirit of God shows us is the way of God and the law of God.
Verse 5: “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”
Verse 6: “For to be carnally minded is death (that is where your whole mind and affections and desires and interests are in the things of this world – material ways); but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” – Where you are pointed entirely to the ways of God.
Verse 7: “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God (hostile): for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
Verse 8: “So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” This ties in with Jeremiah 17:9 that the heart is deceitful above all things. Let me give you an example. I think there is a basketball game on this afternoon. I could tune in and let myself get into it, but I would be as if I was in an entirely different world. It really just seems like that is coming down to a dreary, cloudy, unhappy world, whereas what we are doing here in studying the word of God is way up above and something that is joyful and leading to something that is joyful and happy. But the people who are in the world and are worldly minded couldn’t stand what we are doing here. They would be miserable. Their minds are on other things. They cannot please God; but they don’t want to please God.
Verse 9: “But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” He explains that a little farther on. The Spirit will not continue to dwell in us unless it is active in us. One of the first things that the Spirit of God in us will do is to open our minds to understand the Bible and to get happiness and peace of mind out of it instead of getting happiness out of the worldly things of this world and its amusements and games, etc. The Spirit of God will not get a hold of you and pull you. You’ve got to willingly follow on your own. It will lead the way and show you the way; it will start going. If you on your own power will go with it, fine. If you on your own power can’t keep going, the Spirit is the help of God that will give you extra power to do it. As far as you can go on your own power, God expects us to do that. God does for us what we cannot do for ourselves.
Verse 10: “And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” I think a lot of people don’t get that. The body is dead. Paul says ‘I died’ when the truth came and so on. I’ve tried to explain my own experience of conversion that the self in me had to die. I had to give it up just as if it was dead. My body still kept on breathing and my heart kept pumping, but it didn’t live as it had before. It was dead to those things.
Verse 11: “But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you (the Holy Spirit will not stay in you if you are not being led by it. Another thing the Holy Spirit is in you is the love of God that fulfills the law of God, and if that love is not flowing out from you, fulfilling God’s commandments then the Holy Spirit will not stay within you.) But if the Spirit remains in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.” In other words, the Spirit of God is the impregnation of eternal life. The ovum travels into the womb. If during that time a sperm meets it and joins with it, it gives life to it and that starts a new life. That could be the life of a cow, or horse or dog or human. But it takes the life of the male to impart the life to it. The egg has the possibility of life, but the male has to impart that life or the egg will die. We – each one of us is an egg cell, an ovum, from a divine point of view. In this divine point of view, God is the Father. If the Spirit comes from the Father who is God – it is not a ghost – it is something that emanates from the very person of God the Father, it is like the sperm cell giving life to an ovum within a female body. If that spirit is not put within us, we die. But God has ordained that all who die will be raised in a resurrection if they had not been called in this life then they will be called and given a chance of salvation.
It is an exact parallel; God is reproducing Himself. He has begun the reproduction. I believe that the first reproduction that ever happened on this earth was that of the plants, then fish and birds of the air and finally land animals. They all reproduce. Trees reproduce. God reproduces. Salvation is merely God reproducing Himself. We are to receive God’s Spirit. It imparts to us an intellect so we can understand the spiritual word of God; it is the spiritual food. We gradually grow into a different kind of a being just like an unborn fetus in its mother’s womb. It is growing into a spirit form and by spiritual food. The Church has its congregations who feed the flock on the spiritual food. We are fed and grow so that we become less and less like mortal humans with our minds on the physical things of this world and games and play and things of no account, and we begin to find the true values and the things that really count and we have our minds on those things.
Verse 12: “Therefore brethren, we are debtors (we owe something), but not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.”
Verse 13: “For if you live after the flesh, you shall die (just as the egg cell will die if it does not have the sperm cell): but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.”
Verse 14: “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” That is why I said before the Holy Spirit won’t push and shove you. It won’t drag you and pull you. It will show you the way. It will show you the way. It will start on, but if you follow all right. There is a little more that I would like to add that isn’t explained right here. I pictured it this way. You are out in the forest and can’t see ten feet away from you in the dark. Someone comes along with a lamp. It is all you can see. That lamp starts leading you out. You are in trouble, in the forest. If you stay in it, you will die. There is no food and water. So here is a light that will lead you in the way that will take you out of the forest. If you follow that light, you will find the way out. But if you start going a different way, you are just lost and there is not going to be a different way, you are just lost and there is not going to be another light. The light comes from a lamp and the lamp is the Bible and the light is the Holy Spirit that illuminates and opens up the Bible so that you can understand it. It shows you the way to go. Here is someone who has come to see the truth. That is why I am so concerned about this man. I would like him to come to see me. I don’t want to see anyone cast into the lake of fire. If he is having his choice right now, he won’t be in the great White Throne Judgment. He will die and lose any of the Holy Spirit he ever had if he had it. But he has been called and has rejected. He will come up in the last resurrection and will burn up in it. At least God has given us the blessing of total extinction if we are determined that we are going to go the wrong way. We have to do one or the other. The Bible is a lamp unto our feet you will read in one of the verses, but the Bible has to be lit by the Holy Spirit. It only lights up those who are led by it.
Verse 15: “For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear (some people think you are in bondage if you live a Christian life, it is just the other way. Sin is wrong because it hurts. It may not hurt me, but hurt someone else, or it may just hurt me. Even so, it is wrong. God doesn’t want us to hurt ourselves or anybody else); but you have received the Spirit of sonship(this is the correct word, the people who translated the King James were afraid to say that because they couldn’t believe we could ever be real sons of God. It was after Ambassador College was several years old before I could say conclusively that we were ever going to really be God – that that is what the Bible clearly says), whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” That spirit life is feeding us as long as we are in the womb of our spiritual mother, the Church. At the time of the resurrection, we will be made into very God. This is a marvelous thing. I’m not able to do this but I believe God can and will do it if I do my part.
In I John, 3:2 it says: “Behold now are we already the children of God but it does not yet appear what we shall be” (when we are resurrected). Use the comparison. What about abortion? The life is already there. It is taking a life. If one has received the Holy Spirit and is on the way, there is an immortal life, and it can be snuffed out right here and now. That is why if someone is in a wrong attitude and I don’t know whether he has ever had the Holy Spirit or not, but some portions of what I’ve received seem to indicate that he has, but I’ve got to give him a chance.
I can be made God if I am willing, but I’ve got to do my part. What I do is only a little part. I am not able to make myself God – God is able to do it.
Verse 16: “The spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit (it shows that we have a spirit within us), that we are the children of God.” The spirit in man is the nucleus in the ovum in which the Spirit of God unites. The spirit of man retains the form and shape of your human existence and will bring you back in that same form and shape in the resurrection. It is in the whole body. That is why the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t say the brain is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That is why we are not to defile any part of the body.
Verse 17: “And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.” We are only an heir now, but we will become an inheritor at the time of the resurrection. God has turned everything over to Christ. He has been glorified. When we are glorified, we will have the same description that He has in Revelation 2. We will radiate in a way we don’t now.
Verse 18: “For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” It is something we just can’t imagine. In Isaiah 40, we see a little bit of how great God is. We are to be that great. God will always be supreme in authority over us – yet their minds are the same and ours will be too.
Verse 19: “For the earnest expectation of the creature(the RSV has creation) waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.” The whole creation, meaning the planets that we see in all the universe, is waiting for the time when we will be manifested as the sons of God.
Verse 20: “For the creature was subjected to futility(God did not create this earth in a state of chaos and decay – it is something it has taken a long time to come to. God does not let things deteriorate. I know that God intended the angels to finish the planets, but they did not do it. It is a comparison to unfinished furniture – good as far as it is finished, but not yet complete. We are His workmanship, but we are unfinished as yet. He is making something out of us. We have to give in to His way, not of its own will but by the will of Him who subjected it in hope.” (RSV) If the angels had made good on the earth, they would have been sent to finish the creation of these other planets. It was never finished, so now it has gone into a state of decay.
Verse 21: “Because the creation itself shall be set free from the bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God.” When men become God, we are to become the finishers of these other planets. Marvelous things are ahead.
Verse 22: “For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.” (KJV).
Verse 23: “And not only the creation, but we ourselves who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for (the resurrection as sons) the redemption of our bodies.”(RSV).
Verse 24: “For in this hope we are saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope (you don’t hope for what you already have) for what a man sees why does he yet hope for?” (RSV and KJV).
Verse 25: “But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.” (KJV).
Verse 26: “Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.”
Verse 27: “And he that searches the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.”
Verse 28: “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” How often do we quote that? And how often is it true? In a sense this invasion of the State of California is working for our good – it has brought us together and is turning the whole Church around and we are beginning to realize that we don’t have much time. What if they did take all our property away from us? We would go on just the same. I think we should protect and save it if we can, but if we can’t, we’ll go ahead anyway. God will give us other property.
Verse 29: “For whom he did foreknow, he did predestinate to be confirmed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” Christ is the first to be resurrected and made immortal.
Verse 30: “Moreover whom he did predestinate them he also called (the ones predestinated are the ones God has called): and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” This shows that predestination has nothing to do with whether you are saved or lost or anything of the kind – it only has to do with whether you are called. Predestination has only to do with the time of your calling.
Verse 31: “What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?”
Verse 32: “He that spared not his own Son (and I’ve been in that position too), but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?”
Verse 33: “Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifies.”
Verse 34-: “Who is he that condemns? It is Christ that died, yea, rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.”
Verse 35: “Who shall separate us from the, love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?” (Or the invasion of the State of California).
Verse 36: “As it is written, for thy sake we are killed all the day long: we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
Verse 37: “Nay in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”
Verse 38: “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come.”
Verse 39: “Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” That is a wonderful thing – nothing can separate us from God no matter what happens on this earth. We may anticipate the Kingdom of God, but when we are in it, the realization will exceed the anticipation. We will find it is so much more than anything we dream of now. We will wonder how we could ever have been interested in things in this world. We will learn that in due time.
